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#121 ·
Mario said:
I understand what you mean but to be anal about it, It's not free, it's prepaid. It's hidden in the price of the vehicle. In Canada, connectivity is included for 4 years. Dealers could not tell me how it would cost once the prepaid plan expires.
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I have not bothered to research this myself: Have any of the other brands had their "free internet" expire and transferred the contracts directly to thier customers? Could be several hundred dollars a year in the States and we would have no option but to accept the charges.
 
#122 ·
bogiesan said:
I have not bothered to research this myself: Have any of the other brands had their "free internet" expire and transferred the contracts directly to thier customers? Could be several hundred dollars a year in the States and we would have no option but to accept the charges.
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It expired on a Volt after 4 years. Given it has no OTA updates and supports android auto I never felt a need for it. From memory it was 24$ a month.

I missed the ability to remotely start the car with smartphone. But was able to do it with the key fob. Not same range but good enough.

Also Chevrolet was sending a monthly report with various stats; mileage, consumption etc.

In theory one should be able to get the Volvo to connect through a cellphone but I can't get it to work.
 
#123 ·
I think it costs around $200/year currently… it’s not really a bad price compared to using your own SIM card

theoretically you could use your own SIM but I have a feeling volvo uses some kind of vpn or proxy so everything has to pass through their servers so I don’t think it would work
 
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#125 ·
julianng said:
Got it! I guess I don't really use YouTube that much, even at home. I'll have to try it more. And I'm sure the police here in the States would give a ticket. Theoretically the same as using your phone.
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I had the same thought as you after I received the 2.11 update and saw YouTube. I at least wanted to listen to the interviews while driving; not necessarily music.
 
#126 · (Edited)
OK my phone got bricked today and I watched youtube in the car. I'm not excited about it but it serves a purpose

Now we just need a messaging app that works without a phone
 
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#127 ·
RechargeHard said:
I think it costs around $200/year currently… it’s not really a bad price compared to using your own SIM card

theoretically you could use your own SIM but I have a feeling volvo uses some kind of vpn or proxy so everything has to pass through their servers so I don’t think it would work
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theoretically yes although Volvo doesn't allow it in the XC40 recharge and C40 recharge. The similar near the rear view window is disabled and can't be enabled.

my dealer tried endlessly and even contacted volvo about it (as my country doesn't get data from volvo and hence a data would have solved it)
 
#128 ·
Gilles said:
Yes. 4G has nothing to do with it except for the fact that the car was designed this way with 4G in mind. t's not, at all, designed to be a real-time OTA information system. For it to benefit from 5G, it would indeed need a complete redisign,ata including removing stateless APIs, most likely, and having contant connection to the vehicle to maintain a flow of real time information. OBD is designed that way, albeit without wireless connectivity. What you want is a 5G OBD plug that you can talk to with a real-time app. :)
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4g upload is 50Mb/s. That mean 10000 data point can be transfer 125 times a seconds. Don't know why you keep bringing up 5G. Further more there's many level of 5G and some levels aren't necessarily that much faster than 4G.

My ODB2 is Bluetooth. 4G upload rate is pretty much the same as Bluetooth 5.0. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2251832676966746.html?gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt

However that would not work on a Volvo, I tried my ODB2 Bluetooth adapter, can't access the ECU. Definitely not a car for geeks.
 
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Speed isn't all. When you want real time, you want ultra low latency. When you send a message, like a request, you want the time to (re)open the link to be as short as possible. This isn't transfer speed. This is managing latency in stateless connections. Please read up on why IoT works better on 5G... it's not speed, it's latency and managing this kind of short burst of stateless requests.

I could spend time writing a complete write up on why 5G is more suited to the kind of "real time" communications you want (in the post 2020 world, we call it IoT) but a lot of people have done it better than I could early morning after just one coffee. So please read this: https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worl...rldwide-digital-identity-and-security/mobile/magazine/5g-vs-4g-whats-difference and then come back if you need to ask again why I keep bringing up 5G when you want to have real time updates from your car.

I'll spare you part of the effort and simply copy the Latency: 5G is the winner section:

"5G’s superior performance is not just a question of speed. There’s also latency – the delay between the sending of information and the corresponding response.
For 4G, latency is on average 200 milliseconds, not far off the 250 milliseconds it takes for humans to react to visual stimuli.
However, the 5G latency rate is significantly lower: at just 1 millisecond.
This extraordinary leap will be the key to developing new services and devices.
Take connected cars for example. Here, latency defines the gap between clicking “stop” and the moment the remotely driven vehicle starts braking. Low latency is what will make so-called Vehicle-to-Everything services workable.
But there are many more verticals in which low latency could have a huge impact. These include virtual-reality gaming, remote surgical operations and translation services.
In other words, IoT and 5G make a perfect combination."

I've highlighted (red, bold, italic) the 2 lines that should give you the right hint...
 
#130 ·
Gilles said:
Speed isn't all. When you want real time, you want ultra low latency. When you send a message, like a request, you want the time to (re)open the link to be as short as possible. This isn't transfer speed. This is managing latency in stateless connections. Please read up on why IoT works better on 5G... it's not speed, it's latency and managing this kind of short burst of stateless requests.

I could spend time writing a complete write up on why 5G is more suited to the kind of "real time" communications you want (in the post 2020 world, we call it IoT) but a lot of people have done it better than I could early morning after just one coffee. So please read this: https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worl...rldwide-digital-identity-and-security/mobile/magazine/5g-vs-4g-whats-difference and then come back if you need to ask again why I keep bringing up 5G when you want to have real time updates from your car.

I'll spare you part of the effort and simply copy the Latency: 5G is

I've highlighted (red, bold, italic) the 2 lines that should give you the right hint...
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Here you go again, I said Volvo are not geek friendly and you bring up 5G while I'm trying to say lack of 5G is not explanation for lack of geekiness. Going in circle I'm done.
 
#133 ·
10493 said:
I find that the web API does not add value aside the ability to record the information and display it the way you like. The Web Api does not seem to provide any information that you can't get while in the car or through the Volvo apps. The Web Api is also slow can't get any realtime information. To fit my definition of geekyness, there should be a bunch of screens with graphs and data. LOT more information should be displayed and/or accessible sensors, cameras, trips information, battery cell levels, atmospheric pressure, regen info etc. . All stuff I had access to on my previous vehicle. I manage to recompile a Polestar app that does display some extra information (don't remember which one) but I'm having issues with my google play credential/keys that seems screw up, so unable to push an app to the car. That was 2 months ago, I have spend time on that since.

I have a bluetooth to ODBC2 adapter that I use on my previous car. I did not try it on the Volvo as I read their protocol is encrypted and was unable to find a mapping for the PID.
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Hey, I'm looking to recompile my Polestar app as well, looking for advice on how to do it. Any recommendations?
 
#134 ·
Updates in software version 2.13.1

(This OTA update excludes vehicles running on software version 2.8 or older. These customers are welcome to visit their retailer for the latest software and to ensure eligibility for future OTA updates.)

  • Ability to turn off the Rear Park Assist Camera (PAC) with the rear camera view button when in reverse.
  • Occasional slow start of radio sounds has been corrected.
  • Updated interface for drive mode selection. A clickable button is now used instead of a toggle switch. Go to “Driving” in the settings menu to select either the Standard or Off-road drive mode. Note that when the car starts, it will be in the “Standard” drive mode.
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  • Minor drivetrain adjustments that do not affect performance, certification, homologation, or environmental protection.
  • Improved image quality in low-light conditions for the 360° Park Assist Camera (MY24 only).
If FM radio station favorites are used in the car, they will need to be reinstated after the installation of 2.13.1.
 
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