[Gilles]

I really wonder how you all can complain about quality of any form of streaming video in your car. I bought my car to drive. Your attention should be on the road.
I also find it very un-Volvo like widely known for it’s safety, to install such hazardous software.

You obviously haven't tried these apps to make such a comment. Any application that actually has a dynamic content on the screen (even the fireplace app) stops and displays a "safety first" screen the moment your car starts moving. Play Store does that, getting into the car update menu to check version does that, and quite a few. In fact, when you open the main app menu, all these apps will appear greyed out when you drive. You can't even move an icon from one place to another, or delete an app when moving.

But I'm sure you know that... because you've tried it before making that comment, no?

 

[petervandelinde993]

it's out in Europe as well. Took 20-30mins to install, all went well

Same overhere, but YouTube is only audio, not video, any one the same issue?

 

[Gilles]

Same overhere, but YouTube is only audio, not video, any one the same issue?

Can you take a picture of the screen when YouTube is playing?

 

[Wolfje]

You obviously haven't tried these apps to make such a comment. Any application that actually has a dynamic content on the screen (even the fireplace app) stops and displays a "safety first" screen the moment your car starts moving. Play Store does that, getting into the car update menu to check version does that, and quite a few. In fact, when you open the main app menu, all these apps will appear greyed out when you drive. You can't even move an icon from one place to another, or delete an app when moving.

But I'm sure you know that... because you've tried it before making that comment, no?

It indeed sounds stupid of me, but never tried that..

 

[Gilles]

These cars aren't just incredibly safe driving machines. They are also an great playground for geeks. Try things. Discover stuff. Make the car really your own.

 

[Daizyujin]

I got 2.11 installed a couple of days ago and as expected the Youtube screen is only slightly bigger than my cellphone's full screen. It's better than nothing and I'm not complaining or anything, but I think it's more of a fun toy than something you want to sit in the car to watch for 2 hours while waiting for your kids at orchestra practice. I say this as someone who have done just that many many (many) times in my Tesla watching Youtube/Disney+ on the comparatively gigantic screen.

 

[tx617]

Still wouldn’t trade a proper driver display for a bigger infotainment screen… having both plus a HUD would be nice though, but gotta wait for the Polestar 4…

 

[10493]

These cars aren't just incredibly safe driving machines. They are also an great playground for geeks. Try things. Discover stuff. Make the car really your own.

I'm a geek and I totally disagreed with you statement. This is a very boring car technology wise.

 

[randyqx]

no distraction is safe. i do not text, phone, ... while driving.

 

[10493]

You can zoom in to make the controls/buttons bigger.

I take that back, yes you can zoom in but it got stuck , could not zoom back out.

 

[Gilles]

I'm a geek and I totally disagreed with you statement. This is a very boring car technology wise.

You probably haven't played with : Volvo Cars Developer Portal then.

 

[10493]

You probably haven't played with : Volvo Cars Developer Portal then.

Yes I have...

 

[Gilles]

Yes I have...

Well, I find very cool that I can write my web app that lets me talk to my car and monitor things directly from a small environment running on a Raspberry Pi. Very geeky. And fun.

 

[10493]

Well, I find very cool that I can write my web app that lets me talk to my car and monitor things directly from a small environment running on a Raspberry Pi. Very geeky. And fun.

I find that the web API does not add value aside the ability to record the information and display it the way you like. The Web Api does not seem to provide any information that you can't get while in the car or through the Volvo apps. The Web Api is also slow can't get any realtime information. To fit my definition of geekyness, there should be a bunch of screens with graphs and data. LOT more information should be displayed and/or accessible sensors, cameras, trips information, battery cell levels, atmospheric pressure, regen info etc. . All stuff I had access to on my previous vehicle. I manage to recompile a Polestar app that does display some extra information (don't remember which one) but I'm having issues with my google play credential/keys that seems screw up, so unable to push an app to the car. That was 2 months ago, I have spend time on that since.

I have a bluetooth to ODBC2 adapter that I use on my previous car. I did not try it on the Volvo as I read their protocol is encrypted and was unable to find a mapping for the PID.

 

[craigc540]

The dealer updated me to 2.11 today and YouTube is good enough. I watch more YouTube than cable TV so it's very welcome for me. I forgot to ask the dealer how do I change my odometer display from odometer 2 to odometer 1? I got the center button inside of the arrows and the trip meter comes up and at the bottom it's says odo 2.

 

[Gilles]

I find that the web API does not add value aside the ability to record the information and display it the way you like. The Web Api does not seem to provide any information that you can't get while in the car or through the Volvo apps. The Web Api is also slow can't get any realtime information. To fit my definition of geekyness, there should be a bunch of screens with graphs and data. LOT more information should be displayed and/or accessible sensors, cameras, trips information, battery cell levels, atmospheric pressure, regen info etc. . All stuff I had access to on my previous vehicle. I manage to recompile a Polestar app that does display some extra information (don't remember which one) but I'm having issues with my google play credential/keys that seems screw up, so unable to push an app to the car. That was 2 months ago, I have spend time on that since.

I have a bluetooth to ODBC2 adapter that I use on my previous car. I did not try it on the Volvo as I read their protocol is encrypted and was unable to find a mapping for the PID.

You are right that the API doesn't add value aside from the ability to access what is already accessible... but it does let you display how you like. There are systems that will let you fully hack the car through OBD but I'm not really interested in that. I want to know what my car is doing. API lets me do that. As for real time? Well, let's be honest here. 4G was never meant for real time. 5G was developped to bring very low latency communications. So if you want to do OTA real time monitoring, you'll need a completely different connectivity. That said, it's close enough to real time that I know within a few seconds and can display the status that I want (like SOC). I don't need lower latency than that for my monitoring needs. Yes, I could get faster response time reading OBD over a dedicated 5G modem... but I'd pay for that. Volvo gives me this access for free.

 

[Gilles]

The dealer updated me to 2.11 today and YouTube is good enough. I watch more YouTube than cable TV so it's very welcome for me. I forgot to ask the dealer how do I change my odometer display from odometer 2 to odometer 1? I got the center button inside of the arrows and the trip meter comes up and at the bottom it's says odo 2.

The explanations you want are here: C40 Recharge Trip computer | Volvo Support UK

 

[craigc540]

The explanations you want are here: C40 Recharge Trip computer | Volvo Support UK

This tells me how to reset the trip meter but not how to change from odometer 2 to odometer 1 ?

 

[10493]

You are right that the API doesn't add value aside from the ability to access what is already accessible... but it does let you display how you like. There are systems that will let you fully hack the car through OBD but I'm not really interested in that. I want to know what my car is doing. API lets me do that. As for real time? Well, let's be honest here. 4G was never meant for real time.

I miss used the term real time. It did an experiment once with a Volt. I used the application Torque on my phone that was talking with the car via ODBC2/bluetooth. I set up a display with about 10 dials and 10 raw values. From a PC I use Team Viewer to access the phone. I got a friend to drive the vehicle around. I did not bother to measure latency but it felt as fluid and fast as looking at the phone. Obviously, this is not as practical as talking directly to the car. You can't get any data when the car is off, nor does it allow you to control anything. But it shows 4G has nothing to do with it.

5G was developped to bring very low latency communications. So if you want to do OTA real time monitoring, you'll need a completely different connectivity. That said, it's close enough to real time that I know within a few seconds and can display the status that I want (like SOC). I don't need lower latency than that for my monitoring needs. Yes, I could get faster response time reading OBD over a dedicated 5G modem...

I suspect it would not make that big of a difference with 5G because of the way the API is designed. With a API designed with performance in mind, 5G could maybe allow remote driving ;-)

but I'd pay for that. Volvo gives me this access for free.

I understand what you mean but to be anal about it, It's not free, it's prepaid. It's hidden in the price of the vehicle. In Canada, connectivity is included for 4 years. Dealers could not tell me how it would cost once the prepaid plan expires.

 

[Gilles]

Yes. 4G has nothing to do with it except for the fact that the car was designed this way with 4G in mind. It's not, at all, designed to be a real-time OTA information system. For it to benefit from 5G, it would indeed need a complete redisign, including removing stateless APIs, most likely, and having contant connection to the vehicle to maintain a flow of real time information. OBD is designed that way, albeit without wireless connectivity. What you want is a 5G OBD plug that you can talk to with a real-time app.