[BigVikC40Dadda]

Look at the Porsche charging station lounges!🔥

 

[Gilles]

Look at the Porsche charging station lounges!🔥

Fancy... But...You have fancy Tesla charging stations close to (or directly inside) hotel parking lots where the hotel offers nice bar/dining/sleeping .... and at Tesla rates... (probably less than Porsche rates). OK if you have a Porsche, the cost of electricity is probably not one of your criteria...

It does look really nice, though!

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

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• Now we talkin!🔥🔥🔥⚡⚡
  
  
  

  BMW, Hyundai, Honda, And Others Are Launching An EV Charging Network To Take On Tesla And Electrify America

  A coalition of automakers is aiming to nearly double North America's public EV charging network.

  www.hotcars.com
• A coalition of major automakers including GM, BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis is set to build over 30,000 new public EV charging stations in North America.
• The plan aims to address the current challenges of inconsistent services, varying plug types, and limited locations of charging stations, creating a convenient and accessible charging network for all EV users.
• The network will feature both the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and Combined Charging System (CCS) connectors, allowing any EV to charge at the stations.

 

[Gilles]

Now THAT is a cool announcement!

 

[f1geek]

• Boom! 🔥🔥🔥⚡⚡⚡
• Now we talkin!🔥🔥🔥⚡⚡
  
  
  

  BMW, Hyundai, Honda, And Others Are Launching An EV Charging Network To Take On Tesla And Electrify America

  A coalition of automakers is aiming to nearly double North America's public EV charging network.

  www.hotcars.com
• A coalition of major automakers including GM, BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis is set to build over 30,000 new public EV charging stations in North America.
• The plan aims to address the current challenges of inconsistent services, varying plug types, and limited locations of charging stations, creating a convenient and accessible charging network for all EV users.
• The network will feature both the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and Combined Charging System (CCS) connectors, allowing any EV to charge at the s

• The network will feature both the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and Combined Charging System (CCS) connectors, allowing any EV to charge at the stations.

Good news, but this bullet point worries me. Honda and Stellantis make no EVs, Mercedes and GM have already switched to NACS for 2025 vehicles, and honestly, it is a matter of time before BMW and Kia/Hyundai/Genesis switch (1000 V at V3 Superchargers is really needed for them). CCS should not be there for practical reasons given NACS near dominance, and will complicate roll out and reduce reliability. I suppose CCS is there to get government funds, but I hope it is via an adapter, since details are not specified.

 

[Gilles]

Honda and Stellantis make no EVs, Mercedes and GM have already switched to NACS for 2025 vehicles.

So Mercedes make CCS cars in Europe. Having a way to support them in the USA is great. But even if they were to only do NACS, having 30k more chargers across the country is great for them as well.

As for Stellantis, you are looking at the current state of American market. Stellantis owns Peugeot, which makes some nice EVs (my parents just bought a Peugeot e-208 - their first EV - it's a nice citadine car, not for driving across the country, but if you live in a city area, it small, and very nice to drive). If the charging infra is open in the USA, it allows them to import their models directly.

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

Good news, but this bullet point worries me. Honda and Stellantis make no EVs, Mercedes and GM have already switched to NACS for 2025 vehicles, and honestly, it is a matter of time before BMW and Kia/Hyundai/Genesis switch (1000 V at V3 Superchargers is really needed for them). CCS should not be there for practical reasons given NACS near dominance, and will complicate roll out and reduce reliability. I suppose CCS is there to get government funds, but I hope it is via an adapter, since details are not specified.

I would like the EV charging infrastructure playing field to level up and provide more safe, secure and cheaper options. My hope is that this alliance will ethically provision these services to “end users” in an efficient, automated and easy to navigate manner, which will not only spur up EV adoption but make driving across the USA so much easier. Right now certain states have monopolistic policies that make investments in these states more amenable. Hoping this alliance brings a semblance of stability and freedom across the charging network.

As far as Honda and Stellantis building EVs, I haven’t heard much about their plans at all. Not sure why? Honda builds awesome gasoline cars (was an owner of a 1998 Honda Civic EX for 13 years and absolutely loved it. It was my very first major investment after grad school.😀

 

[Gilles]

Honda : Electric Vision
Stellantis : Electrification

(these are English language pages which talk about their plans for EVs)

 

[f1geek]

So Mercedes make CCS cars in Europe. Having a way to support them in the USA is great. But even if they were to only do NACS, having 30k more chargers across the country is great for them as well.

As for Stellantis, you are looking at the current state of American market. Stellantis owns Peugeot, which makes some nice EVs (my parents just bought a Peugeot e-208 - their first EV - it's a nice citadine car, not for driving across the country, but if you live in a city area, it small, and very nice to drive). If the charging infra is open in the USA, it allows them to import their models directly.

EU uses CCS2 connector and USA / Canada use CCS1 connector, though they both speak the same language. An adapter of some sort is necessary (kind of like NACS to CCS1 adapters) to enable a Peugeot e-208 to charge at a DCFC with a CCS1 connector.

Currently all Mercedes cars in USA / Canada have a CCS1 inlet.

Yes, Stellantis is very anti-EV in the USA. NACS as the USA DCFC connector is a fait accompli , but Stellantis won't commit to it yet, even though it has no BEVs on sale here.

 

[Gilles]

I think we'll have solved a key problem if at least everybody speaks the same protocol, and that just a physical adapter is needed. (Like is the case today with electrical plugs in buildings... the voltage may vary, the frequency may vary, but if you have a connector adaptor, most switching power supplies will work with anything between 100 and 250V). Some day EVs will behave the same.

 

[f1geek]

I think we'll have solved a key problem if at least everybody speaks the same protocol, and that just a physical adapter is needed. (Like is the case today with electrical plugs in buildings... the voltage may vary, the frequency may vary, but if you have a connector adaptor, most switching power supplies will work with anything between 100 and 250V). Some day EVs will behave the same.

No worries. NACS uses the CCS protocols.

 

[cinnamontoast]

• Boom! 🔥🔥🔥⚡⚡⚡
• Now we talkin!🔥🔥🔥⚡⚡
  
  
  

  BMW, Hyundai, Honda, And Others Are Launching An EV Charging Network To Take On Tesla And Electrify America

  A coalition of automakers is aiming to nearly double North America's public EV charging network.

  www.hotcars.com
• A coalition of major automakers including GM, BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis is set to build over 30,000 new public EV charging stations in North America.
• The plan aims to address the current challenges of inconsistent services, varying plug types, and limited locations of charging stations, creating a convenient and accessible charging network for all EV users.
• The network will feature both the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and Combined Charging System (CCS) connectors, allowing any EV to charge at the stations.

With a buildout timeline of 2030. Give me a break…. Should be 2025, if they’re serious about this.

 

[bogiesan]

CCS should not be there for practical reasons given NACS near dominance, and will complicate roll out and reduce reliability. I suppose CCS is there to get government funds, but I hope it is via an adapter, since details are not specified.

Yes, I'll definitely have the Volvo nax adapter in the frunk but millions of other CCS car owners won't have one, can't afford one, or won't even know about nax. The CCS ports need to exist if the network is to attract the broader base of EV drivers. I am guessing there will be a small section in each station where a few CCS-only or dual-port poles are stood up for the luddites, the parsimonious, and the ignorant.

 

[cinnamontoast]

Yes, I'll definitely have the Volvo nax adapter in the frunk but millions of other CCS car owners won't have one, can't afford one, or won't even know about nax. The CCS ports need to exist if the network is to attract the broader base of EV drivers. I am guessing there will be a small section in each station where a few CCS-only or dual-port poles are stood up for the luddites, the parsimonious, and the ignorant.

Or, all cars could just come with an adapter going forward.

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

With a buildout timeline of 2030. Give me a break…. Should be 2025, if they’re serious about this.

Summer of 2024:
As you might expect given the sudden shift to the Tesla-developed NACS charging standard, the network will offer both NACS and CCS plugs, which will cover a majority of the EVs on the road today. The first stations are expected to open next summer. Canada will get chargers at a later date. The alliance intends to utilize only renewable energy to power their charging system—big if true.

Let’s hope it’s like the pitstops on Floridas turnpike!

The alliance describes the concept of a "flagship station," with additional amenities, which might resemble a nice freeway rest stop/gas station type concept. We'll be excited to learn more about it. The partnership promises restrooms, food service, and retail operations, and the locations will offer canopies wherever possible. The companies promise their connected in-car applications will work with the qnew service, offering reservations, route planning, energy management, payment, and more.


According to the U.S. Department of Energy, as of July 2023, there are 32,000 publicly available DC fast chargers in the United States for use by 2.3 million electric vehicles, a ratio of 72 vehicles per charger. The NREL (National Renewable Energy Laboratory) estimates that 182,000 DC fast chargers will be needed to support 30-42 million plug-in vehicles expected on the road by 2030," it continues.

"With U.S. electric vehicle sales expected to exceed 50% of total U.S. sales by 2030, the expansion of reliable charging infrastructure will become even more critical to widespread electric vehicle adoption," the press release adds.

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

• Boom! 🔥🔥🔥⚡⚡⚡
• Now we talkin!🔥🔥🔥⚡⚡
  
  
  

  BMW, Hyundai, Honda, And Others Are Launching An EV Charging Network To Take On Tesla And Electrify America

  A coalition of automakers is aiming to nearly double North America's public EV charging network.

  www.hotcars.com
• A coalition of major automakers including GM, BMW, Honda, Hyundai, Kia, Mercedes-Benz, and Stellantis is set to build over 30,000 new public EV charging stations in North America.
• The plan aims to address the current challenges of inconsistent services, varying plug types, and limited locations of charging stations, creating a convenient and accessible charging network for all EV users.
• The network will feature both the North American Charging Standard (NACS) and Combined Charging System (CCS) connectors, allowing any EV to charge at the stations.

Wait a sec I said “Boom” first than this dude!

 

[bogiesan]

"According to the U.S. Department of Energy, as of July 2023, there are 32,000 publicly available DC fast chargers in the United States for use by 2.3 million electric vehicles, a ratio of 72 vehicles per charger. The NREL (National Renewable Energy Laboratory) estimates that 182,000 DC fast chargers will be needed to support 30-42 million plug-in vehicles expected on the road by 2030," it continues."

EDITORIALLY SPEAKING: I've seen those numbers, too.

I have not seen a good display of that same data that reflects what I think could be more accurate numbers. The broader, perhaps more realistic, analysis should subtract the millions of us who will use L2 charging to obtain 95% of the total energy consumed by our EVs. Just me, of course: I expect to use DC only on road trips and only at stations located along a few major corridors in my region. Of my estimated 10000 miles/year, I'm only using DC for, say, 1000 miles, about 10%. My real world need for DC does not contribute much to that 72/pole figure. Of course, I'd like to be able to drive in and charge quickly without waiting. So I say, build them. Build them all!

By comparison, I fondly remember waiting in line at Costco for ten to twenty minutes to gas up the ol' Nissan.

Side note: those projections do not include the numbers and capacities of the HUGE chargers that will be required to satisfy the anticipated rise in EV commercial trucking.