[Jezza]

There are several threads about this already. Please search before posting although updates are always welcome

 

[BainbridgeIsland]

In the US the highest residential potential to ground is 120 volts.

Except when it's 240 volts.

 

[arteitle]

Except when it's 240 volts.

It's not typically 240 V AC relative to ground though, since usually the center tap of the 240 V transformer secondary is grounded.

 

[Gilles]

Yes about the amps will be the danger. But the amps is proportional to the voltage. Ohms law U=RI ... or I (amps ) = U (volts) / R (resistance - of the human body here)

So the higher the voltage between your hand and the ground... the higher the amps... and that will kill you indeed easier at 240 V than 110 V.

The reason for which Europe uses 240V is that it's more efficient to transport higher voltages than lower (since you need less amps for the same power, so there is less heat dissipation in the wires).

 

[brian(J)]

There are three wires coming into your residence, 120v 'A' Phase, 120v 'B' Phase, and a grounded conductor. If you grab on to both phases you will get a 240v shock but usually not through the heart and so not as risky. If you get onto one of the 120v lines with your feet on wet ground or damp concrete you have a much worse problem.

Except when it's 240 volts.

 

[Gilles]

Just drove 280km on a French highway at 130 km/h. Started with a full battery. Arrived at 25%, exactly as Google Maps had announced at the start. Now charging at a Tesla supercharger... A 0.32 €/kWh... Which is dirt cheap (I have the payed subscription for charging non-Teslas - very worth it!).

:

There's just a few chargers here 😊

Hard to count, but there's 28...

Life is good with my C40! 🥰

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

Several APPS to load on your phone: PlugShare will locate various brands of available chargers for your Volvo; EVGo sells via their chargers; ChargePoint also sells via their chargers; Electrify America sells via chargers; and there are others. These brands will have your Volvo plug. Tesla eventually will have most of their locations available with the built-in adapter for your Volvo EV, but at higher price/KW electricity.

Not necessarily a higher price. It depends on your location and state where you are charging.

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

Here’s a recent analysis of my charging rates and metrics. Not sure if Tesla comes out cheaper, equal or more. Implementation of NACS and the rates of charging will really depend on the location and the state. Generally speaking a buddy of mine who’s owned a Tesla since the Model S data tells me it’s cheaper than EA.


06/29/2023 2:09:54 PM
Walmart 335 - Jackson, TN
2196 Emporium Drive
Jackson, Tennessee 38305
Charger: #100238-02
Session ID: 15393701

Total paid: $15.94

Plan: Volvo DC Fast Charging Plan
Charging pricing: $0.29/min (pre-tax)
Idling: $0.00 ($0.00/min)
Sales tax (9.75%): $1.42
Discount: $0.00

End state of charge: 90%
Total energy delivered: 65.4990 kWh
Energy Billed: 65.0000 kWh
Power Type: DC
Max charging speed: 139.00 kW
Charge Start Time: 1:19:30 PM
Charge Stop Time: 2:09:54 PM
Charging time: 00:50:06
Grace period: 00:00 min
Idle Start Time: 00:00:00
Idle Stop Time: 00:00:00
Paid idle time: 00:00

 

[mr.ajrob]

Let's say Volvo desices for the USA market that NACS is a good move. What has to happen? Move the charge port to the front? Might there not be two ports for a few years? (Not every network will convert.) New communications protocols? Will Volvo increase the input voltage/amperage? And what would all these changes mean to the Euro marketplace? I don't have a clue what's involved but haven't Ford/GM/others indicated model year 2025 at the earliest?

THe charge port on the Volvo EVs are already in the perfect position to use Tesla Supercharger: the left rear panel similar to Tesla cars. Volvo would not need to change the location.

 

[ColoradoNative]

Plan: Volvo DC Fast Charging Plan
Charging pricing: $0.29/min (pre-tax)

Can you elaborate on this plan? Is that something that Volvo offers? Or is it a special plan EA offers? I've never heard of it, and that's a pretty good rate.

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

Can you elaborate on this plan? Is that something that Volvo offers? Or is it a special plan EA offers? I've never heard of it, and that's a pretty good rate.

This link should be helpful: Key in your Volvo model and the plan will tell you what the exacting details are. Screenshots below are for my 2022 Volvo C40 recharge.

Volvo DC Fast Charging | Electrify America

www.electrifyamerica.com

 

[Christoph]

Just as mentioned before - no problem to charge on Tesla stations in Germany, Denmark, Sweden,...

 

[ColoradoNative]

This link should be helpful: Key in your Volvo model and the plan will tell you what the exacting details are.

Ah - you're using the plan gifted by Volvo when you bought the car - i didn't recognize it. My 2021 XC40 P8 came with some free ChargePoint charging, before the EA plan was announced. No EA joy for me 😉

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

Ah - you're using the plan gifted by Volvo when you bought the car - i didn't recognize it. My 2021 XC40 P8 came with some free ChargePoint charging, before the EA plan was announced. No EA joy for me 😉

Oh well! EA changed their pricing models now. The EA Volvo plan was good short term excitement, but it’s unlike Tesla Model S buddy of mine, who got free charging “for life”! 🔥. Volvo will never beat that - they should throw in free charging (no KW restrictions) for the first 3 years! 🙂

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

Just as mentioned before - no problem to charge on Tesla stations in Germany, Denmark, Sweden,...

Cool. Wish we get this Tesla charging for Non Teslas worked out soon, May likely speed up EV adoption and cross country USA driving!

 

[Gilles]

Cool. Wish we get this Tesla charging for Non Teslas worked out soon, May likely speed up EV adoption and cross country USA driving!

Yeah. It seems that when it comes to EV charging infrastructure, here in Europe, we're quite lucky. Tesla for non-Tesla chargers all over the place. When no Tesla chargers, IONITY chargers are even more present (but with smaller setups like 4-8 charging stations instead of 16-28 like Tesla)... Then you have the likes of Total Energy, and Fastned who are also gaining popularity.

On the main French highways, nowadays, almost every gas station has 4 or more superchargers (150kW+) available.

By the way @Christoph , you are in Germany. If you use IONITY... Chargemap now has a subscription model for IONITY which gives 30% off of their outrageous rates... And if you use Freshmile, it's billed at 0.30€/kWh+0.45€/minute which, on short, fast charges, is much more interesting than the normal IONITY rates....

But that's still quite higher than the 0.32€/kWh that you get on Tesla chargers if you have their subscription (well worth it if you do more than 4 recharges per month).

And there's the "fun" guys, Lidl, who have some fast chargers using the ChargePoint network, that offer rates of 0.25€/kWh! (But they're not everywhere, and their chargers, while listed at 160 kW, often only give 60kW, so you have to stay a little longer...)

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

Yeah. It seems that when it comes to EV charging infrastructure, here in Europe, we're quite lucky. Tesla for non-Tesla chargers all over the place. When no Tesla chargers, IONITY chargers are even more present (but with smaller setups like 4-8 charging stations instead of 16-28 like Tesla)... Then you have the likes of Total Energy, and Fastned who are also gaining popularity.

On the main French highways, nowadays, almost every gas station has 4 or more superchargers (150kW+) available.

By the way @Christoph , you are in Germany. If you use IONITY... Chargemap now has a subscription model for IONITY which gives 30% off of their outrageous rates... And if you use Freshmile, it's billed at 0.30€/kWh+0.45€/minute which, on short, fast charges, is much more interesting than the normal IONITY rates....

But that's still quite higher than the 0.32€/kWh that you get on Tesla chargers if you have their subscription (well worth it if you do more than 4 recharges per month).

And there's the "fun" guys, Lidl, who have some fast chargers using the ChargePoint network, that offer rates of 0.25€/kWh! (But they're not everywhere, and their chargers, while listed at 160 kW, often only give 60kW, so you have to stay a little longer...)

Super jealous but really proud of how futuristic the EU really has been when it comes to EV adoption and infrastructure…it just makes your EV investment and driving experience all just well worth it! 🙂

 

[Gilles]

This is the signs most gas stations now harbor on the French highways:

All these apply to 24x7 stations... Gas and elec, gas+liquid propane+elec, pure elec, and elec+liquid propane.

This is actually normalized in a law since 2015: Arrêté du 13 mai 2015 relatif à la modification des règles d'implantation et d'utilisation de la signalisation des services - Légifrance (sorry this is in French).

 

[BigVikC40Dadda]

This is the signs most gas stations now harbor on the French highways:

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All these apply to 24x7 stations... Gas and elec, gas+liquid propane+elec, pure elec, and elec+liquid propane.

This is actually normalized in a law since 2015: Arrêté du 13 mai 2015 relatif à la modification des règles d'implantation et d'utilisation de la signalisation des services - Légifrance (sorry this is in French).

Absolutely love it! So brand and consumer conscious.

 

[Gilles]

Absolutely love it! So brand and consumer conscious.

That's the advantage of having regulations and standards for everything. Individual companies don't progress as fast. But society in general tends to do nicely...