[f1geek]

That’s really the main difference between the two flavors of CCS. Here in North America the CCS1 connector is for single-phase AC power, while in Europe the CCS2 connector accommodates 3-phase AC power (it has more pins).

Another big difference is locking. Like the Tesla connector, CCS2 is locked during charging via port in car.
I have observed many broken latches on J1772 and CCS1 connectors. The lack of a latch makes CCS2 much smaller and lighter than CCS1. If we had CCS2 in USA, I think the argument to switch to NACS would be harder to make.

 

[BainbridgeIsland]

Another big difference is locking. Like the Tesla connector, CCS2 is locked during charging via port in car.
I have observed many broken latches on J1772 and CCS1 connectors. The lack of a latch makes CCS2 much smaller and lighter than CCS1.

I wasn't aware of this - but I do know our CCS1 connectors ALSO lock while in use, so Im confused. Is the difference that the locking actuator mechanism is in the connector (handle) vs in the socket (car charge port)?

 

[f1geek]

I wasn't aware of this - but I do know our CCS1 connectors ALSO lock while in use, so Im confused. Is the difference that the locking actuator mechanism is in the connector (handle) vs in the socket (car charge port)?

CCS2 Locking while charging and after, if programmed. CCS1 locking actuator mechanism is in connector, adding complexity, extra wires, takes up extra space and adds weight. CCS2 lock and Tesla lock mechanism is on car.

 

[Gilles]

Gilles, not directly related to this thread but now I’m curious: did you have the front grille wrapped in black, or is this part of the first edition package? Looks good this way, I’ve been wondering if I should consider this my XC40 (thunder gray in Canada)…

The black front grille is an option that my dealer offers. I actually purchased the demonstrator car they had, so it's a C40 Twin First Edition with just about every option they could reasonably fit, including the black front grille. I actually prefer it that way. Gives it a bit of a more aggressive state, and is coordinated with the black roof. It's not wrapped, but actual paint, like the rest of the car.

 

[Gilles]

It's because 3 phase power is common in residential homes in Europe.
CCS2 was specifically designed around this.
You will almost never find 3 phase power in residential areas in the NA market.
That's why CCS1 is set up for 240V single phase.

CCS2 in the NA market would be worthless.

3 phase isn't that common in Europe either. Most homes have CCS2 charger with 1 phase (it supports it very nicely). My current charging is using CCS2 with single phase 10A plug at 240V.

That said, tomorrow (Monday) I am having my electricity provider move my house to 3 phase, and I'm getting (same day) a 22 kW 3 phase charger. (I know my car can only take 11 kW.) It supports 2 cars simultaneously charging. So also moving my home electricity max rating to 36 kW over those 3 phase. The charger actually monitors the rest of the house load and will reduce power if the rest of the house is using already a significant part.

 

[f1geek]

It's far more complicated than Musk and biden saying stuff. Government projects move glacially. The situation is confused by the press attempting to conflate Tesla, NACS, supercharger, NEVI, IRC, BIL, J1772, CCS, and other terms into a single concept.

of course it’s complicated but the US government is paying private companies to do the work - private companies decide the speed. Private companies are just as glacially slow as government, if not more slow. Here is but one example: I love how software has never ending product development and I get to pay for software with missing features or just doesn’t work.

 

[4Wheels]

The black front grille is an option that my dealer offers. I actually purchased the demonstrator car they had, so it's a C40 Twin First Edition with just about every option they could reasonably fit, including the black front grille. I actually prefer it that way. Gives it a bit of a more aggressive state, and is coordinated with the black roof. It's not wrapped, but actual paint, like the rest of the car.

Looks really nice, and I agree about coordination with the black roof!

 

[Pat F]

NOTE: My thread is about PUBLIC charging stations only

I'm confused about the whole connector issue. Can the XC40 use a public Tesla Supercharger? Or do we need some type of adapter? Or are we out of luck in regard to using Tesla chargers?

We recently traveled near Yosemite and found quite a few Tesla public charging station but we had to travel a bit to find a public rapid charger that I could take my XC40 Recharge.

Would someone clue me in, please. Thanks!

Another side question: With US car companies announcing NACS support (ford being the latest), will Volvo change?

 

[f1geek]

Another side question: With US car companies announcing NACS support (ford being the latest), will Volvo change?

I suspect it will, and maybe this year they will announce.

 

[cinnamontoast]

I suspect it will, and maybe this year they will announce.

I think most of us feel like it’s inevitable at this point. Hopefully Volvo will give us all a free adapter….

 

[bogiesan]

Let's say Volvo desices for the USA market that NACS is a good move. What has to happen? Move the charge port to the front? Might there not be two ports for a few years? (Not every network will convert.) New communications protocols? Will Volvo increase the input voltage/amperage? And what would all these changes mean to the Euro marketplace? I don't have a clue what's involved but haven't Ford/GM/others indicated model year 2025 at the earliest?

 

[f1geek]

Let's say Volvo desices for the USA market that NACS is a good move. What has to happen? Move the charge port to the front? Might there not be two ports for a few years? (Not every network will convert.) New communications protocols? Will Volvo increase the input voltage/amperage? And what would all these changes mean to the Euro marketplace? I don't have a clue what's involved but haven't Ford/GM/others indicated model year 2025 at the earliest?

Absolutely not. Just one port. In current location, which is the same as Tesla. NACS uses CCS protocols, so no new protocols. That is one of the main drivers for CCS1 carmakers to switch - NACS and CCS1 speak the same language. No need for CCS1 cars to speak CAN (Teslish). Has no impact on EU: CCS2 is and will remain standard for all cars. NACS will be inlet in 2025, adapter provided in 2024. No impact to volts/amps.

 

[Gilles]

3 phase isn't that common in Europe either. Most homes have CCS2 charger with 1 phase (it supports it very nicely). My current charging is using CCS2 with single phase 10A plug at 240V.

That said, tomorrow (Monday) I am having my electricity provider move my house to 3 phase, and I'm getting (same day) a 22 kW 3 phase charger. (I know my car can only take 11 kW.) It supports 2 cars simultaneously charging. So also moving my home electricity max rating to 36 kW over those 3 phase. The charger actually monitors the rest of the house load and will reduce power if the rest of the house is using already a significant part.

Soooo... Update on the situation... 3 phase in France... still not THAT common (it used to be). But my electrician tells me more and more individual houses are either built with or being upgraded to 3 phase... initially it started when people started puting heat pumps as main heating system in replacement for gas, fuel or coal. Heat pumps work much better with 3 phrase electricity. This wave is slowly picking up even more with the arrival of EVs and home chargers (my charger is now operational! it charges at a full 11kW - 3 phases at 15 Amps eact at 240 V). And of course, spas and things like that also are more efficiently managed with 3 phase.

The maximum I can get with a single phase electricity subscription in France is 12 kW. My dad has an old installation so can get 18 kW because the house was originally 54 kW 3 phase which used to be the norm. Now max is 12 kW per phase, 1 or 3, for home installations in France.

 

[Luckycharms]

I guess I should have clarified my statement a little more. Three phase power is an option in many homes in Europe.
In the US, majority of the time it's not even an option. There's no 3 phase at the street. Usually it's not even in the neighborhood.

If you want 3 phase in your home in the US, usually you have to show some sort of special need, such as running a shop with 3 phase machinery out of your house.

They're not going to spend the time and resources to bring 3 phase to your house just because you ask them to.

 

[cdmoore125]

I guess I should have clarified my statement a little more. Three phase power is an option in many homes in Europe.
In the US, majority of the time it's not even an option. There's no 3 phase at the street. Usually it's not even in the neighborhood.

If you want 3 phase in your home in the US, usually you have to show some sort of special need, such as running a shop with 3 phase machinery out of your house.

They're not going to spend the time and resources to bring 3 phase to your house just because you ask them to.

3 phase will be a different tariff almost always as well. Probably none really geared for EVs.

clarified -- in the US

 

[Gilles]

I guess I should have clarified my statement a little more. Three phase power is an option in many homes in Europe.
In the US, majority of the time it's not even an option. There's no 3 phase at the street. Usually it's not even in the neighborhood.

If you want 3 phase in your home in the US, usually you have to show some sort of special need, such as running a shop with 3 phase machinery out of your house.

They're not going to spend the time and resources to bring 3 phase to your house just because you ask them to.

OK. That I understand. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[SwedishC40]

Every single house in Sweden is 3-phase 230/400V with at least 16A since many years, so getting the full 11kw AC charge is not an issue for most. I don't think it's possible to connect to the grid without 3-phase. I have a load-balancing charger that can move the load dynamically between phases (and progressivly lower the charge amount, or even pause it) so it doesn't trip any breakers.

It seems insanely dangerous to allow 63A 1-phase in a house to me

 

[f1geek]

Every single house in Sweden is 3-phase 230/400V with at least 16A since many years, so getting the full 11kw AC charge is not an issue for most. I don't think it's possible to connect to the grid without 3-phase. I have a load-balancing charger that can move the load dynamically between phases (and progressivly lower the charge amount, or even pause it) so it doesn't trip any breakers.

It seems insanely dangerous to allow 63A 1-phase in a house to me

I envy those of you who have 3 phase power at home - I have lab equipment at work that uses 3 phase power, but as mentioned earlier, it is pretty much impossible to get it at home in the USA.

 

[Pepe Lucho]

The short answer is no, outside of a small handful of locations in New York and California. More supercharges will probably open up for us in the future, though.

This ☝🏻 is the one and only correct answer (for US based consumers).

Tesla charging stations are for the most part only for Teslas. They recently started opening up some stations to other cars but it is literally just a handful of them for conducting a trial on non Tesla cars. However, volvo just signed a deal which will make ALL tesla charging stations available to Volvos starting in 2024, however you will need an adapter. Patience, we will soon be there.

 

[brian(J)]

The danger from electricity is potential to ground, measured in volts. In the US the highest residential potential to ground is 120 volts. In Europe it is much higher voltage so much more dangerous. Amps is not in the equation as it is limited by the resistance in your body. I think it is much less than 2 amps to kill you.

Every single house in Sweden is 3-phase 230/400V with at least 16A since many years, so getting the full 11kw AC charge is not an issue for most. I don't think it's possible to connect to the grid without 3-phase. I have a load-balancing charger that can move the load dynamically between phases (and progressivly lower the charge amount, or even pause it) so it doesn't trip any breakers.

It seems insanely dangerous to allow 63A 1-phase in a house to me