[improvius]

There seems to be some EV6 and I5 availability in various parts of the country, if you're feeling bold enough to make a long trip. But you'd probably lose out on whatever CA incentives are available to you.

 

[He Keith]

After calling around to quite a few dealerships - both Volvo and Hyundai (for an Ioniq 5), I'm going to have to keep the car. As much as I'd like to get rid of it at the moment...

There just isn't anything equivalent available right now.

I'm going to get the check worth 4 monthly payments and hope nothing else happens for the time being. Though in the short time I've had the car back, I have had three LTE/GPS dropouts, but at least they only lasted 5 minutes or so. Which is still not great when you need to know where to go in the LA area haha.

I'll let you all know if anything else happens releated to the main battery pack though.

AS long as they do not make you sign or acknowledge the 4 payments is in lieu of a lemon law claim, take the money and in a few months re-evaluate and get a lemon law attorney. You have 12 months usually to file a lemon law case.

 

[He Keith]

There seems to be some EV6 and I5 availability in various parts of the country, if you're feeling bold enough to make a long trip. But you'd probably lose out on whatever CA incentives are available to you.

Almost every Ioniq 5 is going for at least $5K over MSRP

 

[ericksonpost]

Yeah that's a big reason I'm staying with the Volvo right now. 5k over MSRP on the Ioniq 5 makes it more expensive than my Volvo. I paid just over 55k for the XC40. Paying 5k over on a Limited trim Ioniq 5 puts it over 60K. I also have a thing about never paying over MSRP on any car with the exception of maybe special editions.

 

[He Keith]

Agreed, I would have to have no car and be out of all options before paying over MSRP. Credit to Ford and GM for trying to reign in their dealers price gouging.

 

[houkura]

Agreed, I would have to have no car and be out of all options before paying over MSRP. Credit to Ford and GM for trying to reign in their dealers price gouging.

Trying but failing mostly no? Mach E in my area are all over MSRP with at least 5k dealer markup and more for the top models. At least in December and January that was the case.

 

[ericksonpost]

Well guys, My car is back at the dealership again. At least it's not the main battery this time. My LTE and GPS has been dropping out at least once a day lately. Today it wouldn't work at all. I've tried resetting the infotainment system multiple times, tried resetting the modem (which doesn't seem to do anything anymore), and locking the car with the key fob.

I'll continue talking about this problem on one of the many threads about this problem.

 

[SilverII]

Just to add my experience - '21 XC40 Recharge

Car gave an error "Propulsion system service required". The car went in for service for 2 weeks. They determined that the AC compressor is setting an interlock circuit fault which caused the error. They replaced that part.

 

[He Keith]

WTF, the AC can cause a propulsion error?

 

[SilverII]

WTF, the AC can cause a propulsion error?

Exactly! At first, I was informed it was a loose connection somewhere, then they told me its AC.

 

[SeattleCat]

WTF, the AC can cause a propulsion error?

Makes sense if the heat fan is used as part of battery cooling or moving heat around.

 

[Giuseppe]

This all started last week.

Quick backstory, I bought my 2022 Recharge Ultimate at the beginning of October 2021. I have just under 2000 miles on it when I got the "Propulsion System Service Urgent drive to workshop" warning. The car had been sitting for 6 days since I went out of town for a bit for the holidays. As soon as I started driving was when the warning light came on. I drove to the closest Volvo dealer where they kept the car to run some tests and update some software that's not part of the OTA updates.

I picked up the car the next day the dealer was open. When I picked it up, they said everything looked good. I didn't even get to leave the parking lot when I got the same warning, along with turtle mode limiting power. The limit was very low, by the way.

Now, I have a loaner and the car has been back at the Volvo all this week. I had to call to get an update today. The service tech on the phone mentioned that the Volvo engineers have told them that there's an issue with the battery. The next steps are the battery is coming out of the car tomorrow and that they need to run more tests on the battery once it's out of the car.

So... this doesn't seem great on a car with less than 2000 miles...

I'll let you all know when I get another update.

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Same issue but mine actually had propulsion system failure and started jolting and stopped in the middle of the road! Considering a Lemon Law Lawyer

 

[DreamensioN]

The dealership is still waiting on the specialized tools to needed re-assemble the battery pack.

To replace the CVTN sensor the entire battery pack had to be opened up

The battery cover is a one time use part.
The service manager made a point to say this is the first car they've needed to make a repair to the battery back itself in the year or so this model has been out.

@ericksonpost - have you had any more problems with the high voltage battery pack since you had these repairs done? I'm going through what I am pretty sure is the exact same thing you went through. Same deal with specialist tools needed to open the battery and the dealership saying they've never had to do this before.

I'm just wondering if since the battery was resealed - it has been good without problems, or if you have had more trouble (apart from the TCAM issues)?

 

[ericksonpost]

@DreamensioN

Thankfully I haven't had any other propulsion system warnings or issues since. It did take them a while to clear it up, but other than the usual infotainment system issues, I haven't had any other major issues. Which even those issues have been much better with the recent updates.

 

[XC90_Dinosaur]

Month later or to be more precise - 3 weeks later since the car was diagnosed and battery ordered, it arrived today. I am happily scratching my head and wandering how did a battery arrived so fast. Perhaps it can be transported via airplane. They are waiting for balancing tool which I do not know what exactly is but I should have the car back very soon.
Conclusion: It seems that in case car goes for something big it is between 3-5 weeks to be fixed. I hope that time will shrink to 2-3 weeks on the average and than the things will be more normal and people freaking -out will be more contained (yes I did freak-out after I made 800 CAD for gas in the last 30 days).
I hope to post some pictures of the battery and/or the process of replacement soon (I asked my service advisor to take some pictures for me).

 

[improvius]

Month later or to be more precise - 3 weeks later since the car was diagnosed and battery ordered, it arrived today. I am happily scratching my head and wandering how did a battery arrived so fast. Perhaps it can be transported via airplane. They are waiting for balancing tool which I do not know what exactly is but I should have the car back very soon.
Conclusion: It seems that in case car goes for something big it is between 3-5 weeks to be fixed. I hope that time will shrink to 2-3 weeks on the average and than the things will be more normal and people freaking -out will be more contained (yes I did freak-out after I made 800 CAD for gas in the last 30 days).
I hope to post some pictures of the battery and/or the process of replacement soon (I asked my service advisor to take some pictures for me).

Just to be clear, they are replacing the ENTIRE battery assembly? And this is mainly because nobody there is trained to replace individual battery packs?

 

[XC90_Dinosaur]

Just to be clear, they are replacing the ENTIRE battery assembly? And this is mainly because nobody there is trained to replace individual battery packs?

Good question. Replacing the battery was on the table because they were not trained. However since they are waiting for battery balancer to arrive I believe they will replace the module that is faulty. Seems they got fast tracked and trained. Again I am not sure and will find out more tomorrow. The positive is that will be the only dealership in Vancouver area that actually worked on XC40 battery.

 

[Greg S]

Month later or to be more precise - 3 weeks later since the car was diagnosed and battery ordered, it arrived today. I am happily scratching my head and wandering how did a battery arrived so fast. Perhaps it can be transported via airplane. They are waiting for balancing tool which I do not know what exactly is but I should have the car back very soon.
Conclusion: It seems that in case car goes for something big it is between 3-5 weeks to be fixed. I hope that time will shrink to 2-3 weeks on the average and than the things will be more normal and people freaking -out will be more contained (yes I did freak-out after I made 800 CAD for gas in the last 30 days).
I hope to post some pictures of the battery and/or the process of replacement soon (I asked my service advisor to take some pictures for me).

Did you see the link in another thread to the Volvo technical videos on battery pack removal and module replacement? Quite interesting...opening up the pack to replace a module is quite labour intensive and requires a new top cover to be installed as it gets a bit damaged when it is pried off (it's held on with urethane adhesive around the perimeter similar to a windscreen...then about 100 bolts! They even have to do a pressure test once the new cover is put back on to make sure there are no leaks.

 

[XC90_Dinosaur]

Did you see the link in another thread to the Volvo technical videos on battery pack removal and module replacement? Quite interesting...opening up the pack to replace a module is quite labour intensive and requires a new top cover to be installed as it gets a bit damaged when it is pried off (it's held on with urethane adhesive around the perimeter similar to a windscreen...then about 100 bolts! They even have to do a pressure test once the new cover is put back on to make sure there are no leaks.

I put the video link you mentioned.
It is actually pretty straight forward but you are essentially right. However I think it is still better than dealing with Volvo ICE. The main advantage is lack of precision compare to mechanical part. They do not need to seek 0.3 mm or cylinder head longitudinally being not more than 0.25 mm difference end to end, otherwise has to be resurfaced to exact roughness so the multi lawyer steel gasket can seal. There are like 3-4 stages of torque and it has to be correct. Again, lack of precision is significant advantage.

 

[Greg S]

I put the video link you mentioned.
It is actually pretty straight forward but you are essentially right. However I think it is still better than dealing with Volvo ICE. The main advantage is lack of precision compare to mechanical part. They do not need to seek 0.3 mm or cylinder head longitudinally being not more than 0.25 mm difference end to end, otherwise has to be resurfaced to exact roughness so the multi lawyer steel gasket can seal. There are like 3-4 stages of torque and it has to be correct. Again, lack of precision is significant advantage.

Ahh OK then of course you've seen it! Hard to keep track of who posts what - but I will say that was an incredibly informative series of videos. It would be nice if we could access other similar videos about other systems in the car, but it seems like you'd need to know what folder to point to as it doesn't appear to find videos when you do a search in Vimeo.

Yes, agreed, it's probably a lot less prone to requiring tight tolerances etc. compared to an ICE engine or transmission, so as long as they follow the assembly sequence it shouldn't be that hard. I probably should download those videos for future reference - you never know in 10 years time I may be swapping out my own batteries with the latest solid state batteries that give a range of 1000 km and weigh half as much as the current batteries...we can dream!