[SeattleCat]

Something going on there. Seems like such a simple issue but all the EV’s having issues. Mach E’s reporting loads of dead 12v too.

Makes me think something is different about the way an ev uses the 12volt or charges it. Something is not right in the state of …. No not using an old saying.

A couple of volt meters talking to a bt hub and from there to the internet on a problematic car and one would think we would know what is going wrong quickly!!

 

[BruinToo]

I had a dead 12V battery in my I-PACE after 2.5 years. Never had such problem with my 2016 A3 e-tron, a PHEV.

 

[allelectriceverything]

Makes me think something is different about the way an ev uses the 12volt or charges it. Something is not right in the state of …. No not using an old saying.

A couple of volt meters talking to a bt hub and from there to the internet on a problematic car and one would think we would know what is going wrong quickly!!

since EV's dont have an alternator, it probably just has more to do with a new method of charging the 12v, relying on other electrically powered modules and systems to provide this charge.

 

[allelectriceverything]

I had a dead 12V battery in my I-PACE after 2.5 years. Never had such problem with my 2016 A3 e-tron, a PHEV.

a phev still has an alternator to charge the 12v, so probably a difference there

 

[Cuelaw57]

Is swapping the existing lead acid battery for an after market Li-ion battery a possibility? Or is the LV charging system not capable of charging a Li-ion battery?

 

[VTBUCKEYE]

a phev still has an alternator to charge the 12v, so probably a difference there

Not all of them. If the alternator was the only way to charge the 12V, then my xc90 phev would have a very dead 12V. In the spring/summer it can go hundreds of miles and over a month without the ICE turning on. In the winter it may run for two or three minutes a Day. Why have an alternator when you have a generator and a big battery. Just use a transformer to step down the voltage...as long as the 12V is being monitored and charged frequently enough.

 

[DcinBC]

Is swapping the existing lead acid battery for an after market Li-ion battery a possibility? Or is the LV charging system not capable of charging a Li-ion battery?

Li-ion batteries are temperature sensitive. I believe the car actually has an AGM battery like many RVs.

 

[allelectriceverything]

Not all of them. If the alternator was the only way to charge the 12V, then my xc90 phev would have a very dead 12V. In the spring/summer it can go hundreds of miles and over a month without the ICE turning on. In the winter it may run for two or three minutes a Day. Why have an alternator when you have a generator and a big battery. Just use a transformer to step down the voltage...as long as the 12V is being monitored and charged frequently enough.

you manage to drive for less than 20 miles at a clip, exclusively in pure mode for over a month???

 

[VTBUCKEYE]

you manage to drive for less than 20 miles at a clip, exclusively in pure mode for over a month???

Round trip to work is 14 miles. Speed limit is no more than 45. I drive it like a big BEV with a low power motor and a little battery. I don't want to I think about the fuel dilution in the oil (winter is cold and the engine rarely gets up to operating temperature). My wife almost always will start the engine. I split my driving between a Tacoma, the xc90 and maybe one day per week the xc40. The Tacoma and xc90 average about 500 miles per month combined. When we travel we use the xc90 and when we have family visit we take the big car with more seats, but my commute is short. My wife is a part time substitute teacher and walks to school. Over the summer I regularly go over 1000 miles on a tank of gas. After about 6 months the car forces fuel usage with no hybrid functionality until enough fuel is burned and the tank is refilled.

 

[improvius]

I just learned today that the Mach-E front seats have no tilt adjustment. I can't believe an EV at that market level wouldn't have tilting seats. I had crossed it off for other reasons, but I think that would have been a deal-breaker for me if I'd tried one out.

 

[SeattleCat]

I just learned today that the Mach-E front seats have no tilt adjustment. I can't believe an EV at that market level wouldn't have tilting seats. I had crossed it off for other reasons, but I think that would have been a deal-breaker for me if I'd tried one out.

Part shortage or by design? If design then wow. If part shortage … surely it’s not that hard to do …

Just wow.

I went and researched it. Seems that they advertise a full adjustable seat but it lacks tilt which is annoying folks.

Very odd.

 

[houkura]

I just learned today that the Mach-E front seats have no tilt adjustment. I can't believe an EV at that market level wouldn't have tilting seats. I had crossed it off for other reasons, but I think that would have been a deal-breaker for me if I'd tried one out.

I test drove one and that was one of two deal breakers for me. The other was the “ADM” (additional dealer markup). It brought the price to same as the Volvo so I turned my attention to the Volvo and I’m thrilled that I did.

 

[Homer]

I test drove one and that was one of two deal breakers for me. The other was the “ADM” (additional dealer markup). It brought the price to same as the Volvo so I turned my attention to the Volvo and I’m thrilled that I did.

ADM is a reason to never return to a dealer. There is no such thing as a car that you can't wait for.

Regarding power tilt, many of the early EVs and hybrids did not have any power seats. The Prius (hybrid),,Leaf and BMW i3 did not offer power adjustments in an attempt to save weight and power demand.

Unfortunately, (or fortunately), many EV buyers demand a fully loaded car with every standard top end item. This includes full power seats. The Bolt just became available with eight way power adjustment.

I have many deal breaker demands in any new car. Many are luxury add ons that are not needed and probably decrease the efficiency. But, they are nice.

My new deal breaker option is a Heads up Display. I personally find having current speed, crash warnings, drive assist and speed limit along with driving directions in an HUD is a tremendous help.

Volvo does need to up their game to stay current. HUD is an option on the Audi , BMW, Hyundai, Kia, Nissan, Toyota, Mercedes, Porsche, Genesis, Jeep and Dodge.

The Volvo 2023 does not offer this option.

 

[improvius]

The HUD on the Q4 was very tempting, but they still haven't even started deliveries in the US. The dashboard map is a good enough substitute for me.

 

[DcinBC]

There are near constant updates to models across the globe, but the current XC90, XC60, S and V90 are the luxury Volvos with all the fancy doodads you might desire. The XC40 is more utilitarian, so expecting high end audio, HUD and the like would only push the price from a bit high to bonkers. I’m sure that when the Volvo XC90 Recharge replacement and the Polestar 3 are released in the next 9 months or so, they will be impressive, with prices to match. In the meantime, Volvo and every other manufacturer is trying to get their supply issues under control and debugging their software to stability before they release the next generation. And in the meantime you can order a 2023 40 series this year with a good chance of getting one.

 

[JT Rock]

The other day while I was driving on a country road, I found myself directly behind a red EV6. I was immediately excited because I had been considering buying one as a 2nd EV for our household. There were a few stop signs along the way where I was able to get very close to it. However, after a few seconds, to my dismay I found that it looked rather awful. I couldn't believe it. All of the online review videos and photos don't really show how bad it looks in person. There is something about it where 2D photos can't capture it from directly behind.

Later, I looked online again for a photo that best resembled what it was like, and I found something close. The photo on the left doesn't do it justice. However, the photo on the right is one that really captured the essence of how it felt following behind the EV6:

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I doubt anyone would agree unless you've followed one yourself. I didn't even believe it until I saw it myself.
Let's just say that I've crossed the EV6 off my list.
No offense to anyone that already owns one. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[houkura]

The other day while I was driving on a country road, I found myself directly behind a red EV6. I was immediately excited because I had been considering buying one as a 2nd EV for our household. There were a few stop signs along the way where I was able to get very close to it. However, after a few seconds, to my dismay I found that it looked rather awful. I couldn't believe it. All of the online review videos and photos don't really show how bad it looks in person. There is something about it where 2D photos can't capture it from directly behind.

Later, I looked online again for a photo that best resembled what it was like, and I found something close. The photo on the left doesn't do it justice. However, the photo on the right is one that really captured the essence of how it felt following behind the EV6:

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I doubt anyone would agree unless you've followed one yourself. I didn't even believe it until I saw it myself.
Let's just say that I've crossed the EV6 off my list.
No offense to anyone that already owns one. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Thx for the chuckle! I saw one today at an EA station and whilst not THAT bad it’s not the best looking car. There were 2 xc40s, a bolt, an ev6, and a Taycan at the station and it was about a wee bit nicer looking than the Bolt. Taycan was beautiful.

 

[SeattleCat]

The problem here is the cost.

Lightyear says its $263,000 solar-powered car will go into production later this year

Fewer than 1,000 units will be made, each priced at $263,000.

www.theverge.com

Seems like not much car for 263,000. Even if it was an amazing car not exactly a mainstream price.

 

[improvius]

The Ford memo explains that the Mustang Mach-E's primary high voltage battery contactors could overheat. If it happens, it could cause "an open contactor or welding condition," which may lead to the contactors welding shut while the car is in motion. Owners of affected vehicles may be alerted by a powertrain malfunction warning light the next time they drive, and the Mach-E could fail to start.

The vehicle may also display "Stop Safely Now" on the gauge cluster, and a total and immediate loss of power could follow. Ford says the Mach-E will simply coast to a stop. However, all 12-volt systems, including the power brakes and steering, should remain functional.

Ford doesn't expect to have a fix for the problem until Q3 2022.

UPDATE: Ford Halts Mustang Mach-E Deliveries: Recall Remedy Expected Next Month

Ford says some 2021-22 Mach-E's may have an issue with the high voltage battery contactors overheating, causing a loss of power and/or a no-start condition.

insideevs.com

 

[SeattleCat]

UPDATE: Ford Halts Mustang Mach-E Deliveries: Recall Remedy Expected Next Month

Ford says some 2021-22 Mach-E's may have an issue with the high voltage battery contactors overheating, causing a loss of power and/or a no-start condition.

insideevs.com

Oh good god that does god sound good !!
Glad they are fixing it.